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Im trying to compile the specs of the g13 and g16 engines in case we need to find parts to make them easier to rebuild or modify.
Please post up any info you can muster copy and paste with this layout to update.... Most are fom my measurements done to the suzi, dai & hon engines quite fidly work. Please re-check from a reputable manual this is just simple reference for getting ideas about improving performance and general information.

G13/16 - 84mm bore spacings

deck height (block height)--------------
Suzuki G16 = 213.8mm
Head gasket height=1.2mm
Deck Clearane below= 0.9mm
Suzuki G13 = 187mm
Honda D16 = 212mm
Daihatsu HD = 210mm
Daihatsu HC = 200mm
Daihatsu HD-E = 212mm

Main journal diameters---------------
G16a/b = 52mm
rod BE bore 1.851 inches / 47.0154 mm
Daihatsu HD-E = 50mm
Honda d16 = 55mm

Crankpin diameters-------------------
Suzuki G16a/b = 44mm
Daihatsu sohc 16v = 45mm
HOnda D16 = 45mm

Crank weights ----8 counterweights = 12.1kg(26.7lbs) 4 counterweight = 20lbs

P/Pin Dia. = 0.7480 (same as nissan e15et rods)

Bore spacing g16b = 84mm
Length of Main bearings = 18mm

Rod Lengths --------------------------
G16= 139.4968 mm / 5.492 inches (396 - 404 grams)

G16 BE width = .864 inches / 21.9456 mmm

e15e or et = 140.08mm / 5.537 inches

Valve sizes ---------------------------
G13/16-a/b/bb SOHC 16v all same
G16 16v
inlet = 30.1mm X 5.5 X 92.3 1R
G13b 16v
inlet = 29.1mm X 5.5 X 92.3 1R Smaller!!!!
exhaust = 24.9mm (all 16v sohc or dohc)

Inlet sizes same as Honda d16 sohc 16v/ Daihatsu HD sohc 16v

G13/G16 exhaust valve specs
exhaust - 24.9 X 5.5 79.9 1R

Honda and Daihatsu are larger 26 mm (1mm larger than G series!)

capacities------------------------------------------------------------------
G13B and BB
1298cc - 74mm bore x 75.5mm stroke
G13A?
1324cc - 74mm bore x 77mm stroke
G15
1493cc - 75mm bore x 84.5mm stroke?
g16a/b
1590cc - 75mm bore and 90mm stroke
Crank-----------------------------------------------------------------------X
Stroke
G13B - 75.5 and 77mm (forged and cast respectively)
G13bb - (cast with solid journals - very strong compared to hollow)
G16B - 90mm (cast with hollow journals)
G15 - 84.5mm? (cast with hollow journals)

OVERBORES stock sleeves? (piston weight standard 75mm = 207 grams)
1mm g16 = 1633cc
2mm g16 = 1676cc
reminder stock sleeves are dangerous at these oversizes
custom full sleeves are recommended for following sizes....
2.5mm g16 = 1698cc
3mm g16 = 1720cc
3.5mm g16 = 1742cc
4mm g16 = 1765cc
4.5mm / 5mm (possible?) g16 = 1787cc / 1810cc
Pistons-----------------------------------------------------------------------X

Gudgeon pins
All 19mm ?

Piston Pin heights-----------------------------------------------------------
G13b 29.1 mm
G15 ??mm
G16b 28.5 mm
OEM vitara 75mm std pistons: 12100-71820-0A0
OEM vitara 75mm std rings: 12140-60A50
OEM vitara head gasket: 11141-71C00

Compression ratios---------------------------------------------------------X

1986-1989 Carbureted Samurais - 1324cc
Compression Ratio 8.9:1
1990-1995 EFI Samurais - 1298cc
Compression Ratio 9.5:1
1995 - 1997 Geo Metro with 1.3L - 1298cc
Compression Ratio 9.5:1

Custom pistons from other sources for big bores------------------------X

GSXR1100 pistons? 76mm bores 25.5mm pin height?
CBR1000RR pistons? 75mm bores 27mm pin height?
Wiseco piston 1983 Honda xr250 matched with xg rings.(very thin rings)
Piston skirt requires about 7mm to be removed.
Piston crown has to be flycut for valve clearance.

Conrods---------------------------------------------------------------------X
Other rods that could be used toyota 4age (with unique simple oil squirters!!!)
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Engine weights-------------------------------------------------------------X
G16b = Total 131.75 lbs 60kgs!!!!!
reference:
http://www.teamswift.net/viewtopic.php?p=211625#211625


G13B crank has a 75.5mm stroke, 45mm mains, and 42mm rod journals?

update: g16a/b block height 215mm
measured from crank centre to deck

79mm bores have been achieved, therefore I would suggest a destroked honda d16 crank with 40mm crankpins to suit nissan e15 rods and dished pistons with 8.5 to 9 comp for boost. 1745cc with the g16 16v head should theoretically make 400hp. This is after seeing that a nissan e15et make over 400hp with 8v heads and 76mm bores.

other links to info
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=639274&highlight=cylinder+heads+facts

Honda crank dimensions and weights in lbs
1488cc---------
1.5 84-87 D15A1 Rod journal size 1.653", main journal size 1.771". Neck diameter is .865" 23lbs

1493cc-----------
1.5 88-95 D15B1-8 D15Z 88-95 Civic, 88-91 CRX, 92-95 del SOL & V-TEC.
Rod journal diameter 1.653", main journal diameter 1.771". Neck diameter is .944". 28lbs
1.5 88-95 D15B1-8 D15Z 88-95 Civic, 88-91 CRX, 92-95 del SOL & V-TEC.
Rod journal diameter 1.653", main journal diameter 1.771". Neck diameter is .865". 28lbs
1.5 1990 D15B1 Rod journal diameter 1.496", main journal dia 1.771". Neck diameter is .944" 25lbs
1.5 92-95 D15Z Rod journal diameter 1.771", main journal diameter 1.968" 36lbs

1590cc-----------
1.6 88-95 D16A6, D16Z6 88-91 Civic Si & CRX Si, 92-95 Civic & del SOL Si.
Rod journal diameter 1.771", main journal diameter 2.165". Neck diameter is .865". 32lbs
1.6 88-00 D16A6, D16Z6, D16Y5, D16Y7, D16Y8
1.6 88-91 Civic Si & CRX Si, 92-95 Civic & del SOL Si, 96-00 Civic, del SOL S, Civic EX V-TEC, del SOL Si, Civic HX.
Rod journal diameter 1.771", main journal diameter 2.165". Neck diameter is .944" 32lbs

So only D16 cranks can be used on the G16a/b engines unless you weld some mains up big job

Pistons from Honda

D15B1/ 2/ 7/ 8 - COMP HEIGHT: 1.208” - DOME HEIGHT: .000”
D16Z6 - COMP HEIGHT: 1.181” - DOME HEIGHT: -.118”
D15Z1 - COMP HEIGHT: 1.092” - DOME HEIGHT: -.277”
D16Y7 - COMP HEIGHT: 1.181” - DOME HEIGHT: -.130”
D16Y5 - COMP HEIGHT: 1.161” - DOME HEIGHT: -.106”
D16Y8 - COMP HEIGHT: 1.161” - DOME HEIGHT: -.083”
D17A1 - COMP HEIGHT: 1.062” - DOME HEIGHT: -.106”
D17A2 - COMP HEIGHT: 1.062” - DOME HEIGHT: -.104”


ROD TECH:
ROD/STROKE RATIO AND ROD LENGTH:

D17A1: /140MM
D17A2: /140MM
D16Y8: 1.52/137MM
D16Y7: 1.52/137MM
D16Z6: 1.52/137MM
D16A1: 1.52/137MM
D16A6: 1.52/137MM
D15B1: 1.59/134MM
D15B2: 1.59/134MM
D15B7: 1.59/134MM
D15B8: 1.59/134MM
ZC: 1.52/137MM

1.3 G13BA
Bore x Stroke 74mm x 75.5mm
Compression Ratio 9.5:1
Cylinder Block Deck Height 186.8mm
Deck Clearance 0.2mm (above)
Cylinder Head Volume 32.2cc
Head Gasket Thickness (compressed) 1.2mm
Minimum Combustion Chamber Volume 38.2cc
Intake Valve O.D. 36mm
Exhaust Valve O.D. 30mm
Connecting Rod Length (between centers) 120mm
Piston Comp Height 28.90mm
Piston Clearance & Position (from Crown) 0.200 @ 45.80

1.6 G16A
Bore x Stroke 75mm x 90mm
Compression Ratio 8.9:1
Cylinder Block Deck Height 213.8mm
Deck Clearance 0.9mm (below)
Cylinder Head Volume 32.2cc
Head Gasket Thickness (compressed) 1.2mm
Minimum Combustion Chamber Volume 50.6cc
Intake Valve O.D. 36.6mm
Exhaust Valve O.D. 32.5mm
Connecting Rod Length (between centers) 139.6mm
Piston Comp Height 28.10mm
Piston Clearance & Position (from Crown) 0.200 @ 48.00

1.6 G16B
Bore x Stroke 75mm x 90mm
Compression Ratio 9.5:1
Cylinder Block Deck Height 213.8mm
Deck Clearance 0.9mm (below)
Cylinder Head Volume 25.5cc
Head Gasket Thickness (compressed) 1.2mm
Minimum Combustion Chamber Volume 46.8cc
Intake Valve O.D. 29.2mm
Exhaust Valve O.D. 25.0mm
Connecting Rod Length (between centers) 139.6mm
Piston Comp Height 28.55mm
Piston Clearance & Position (from Crown) 0.300 @ 53.00

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OK, great idea, here is a few more ideas.

It's been bandied about elsewhere about using Hayabusa rods, does anyone have any specs? I know the busa rod has an ID of 41mm, can't find small end size or length anywhere...

98 ZX-9R has 75mm pistons and 04 ZX-10R has 76mm pistons, sorry can't find deck height or pin diameter anywhere.

Bring it on Dattman this is the only way to keep those G engines going.
I wish I could get a copy of the software crank and piston shops use.

The crank girdle in the hondas is one of the reasons 600hp plus is possible from the honda d cranks. This alloy machined girdle could be much better than the little steel wires used by suzuki perfect for the g13b or a honda d16 crank in the g16

Found 27mm pin height pistons for longer rods in NA setups or lower comp with standard rods for boost

Honda D17A1 - 2001-2005 Honda Civic DX/LX
Displacement : 1668 cm3
Bore and Stroke : 75 mm X 94.4 mm
Compression : 9.5:1

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Suzuki Engine Specs

1.3 G13BA 1298cc SOHC 8V
Bore x Stroke 74mm x 75.5mm
Compression Ratio 9.5:1
Cylinder Block Deck Height 186.8mm
Deck Clearance 0.2mm (above)
Cylinder Head Volume 32.2cc
Head Gasket Thickness (compressed) 1.2mm
Minimum Combustion Chamber Volume 38.2cc
Intake Valve O.D. 36mm
Exhaust Valve O.D. 30mm
Connecting Rod Length (between centers) 120mm
Piston Comp Height 28.90mm
Piston Clearance & Position (from Crown) 0.200 @ 45.80

1.3 G13A 1324cc SOHC 8V
Bore x Stroke 74mm x 77mm
Compression Ratio 8.9:1
Cylinder Block Deck Height 186.8mm
Cylinder Head Volume 32.2cc
Head Gasket Thickness (compressed) 1.2mm
Intake Valve O.D. 36mm
Exhaust Valve O.D. 30mm

1.3 G13B 1298cc DOHC 16V
Bore x Stroke 74mm x 75.5mm
Compression Ratio 10.1:1 (11.1:1 in the import cultus gti)
Cylinder Block Deck Height 186.8mm
Cylinder Head Volume ?
Head Gasket Thickness (compressed) 1.2mm
Intake Valve O.D. 29.1mm X 5.5 X 92.3 1R
Exhaust Valve O.D. 24.9mm

1.6 G16A 1590cc SOHC 8V
Bore x Stroke 75mm x 90mm
Compression Ratio 8.9:1
Cylinder Block Deck Height 213.8mm
Deck Clearance 0.9mm (below)
Cylinder Head Volume 32.2cc
Head Gasket Thickness (compressed) 1.2mm
Minimum Combustion Chamber Volume 50.6cc
Intake Valve O.D. 36.6mm
Exhaust Valve O.D. 32.5mm
Connecting Rod Length (between centers) 139.6mm
Piston Comp Height 28.10mm
Piston Clearance & Position (from Crown) 0.200 @ 48.00

1.6 G16B 1590cc SOHC 16V
Bore x Stroke 75mm x 90mm
Compression Ratio 9.5:1
Cylinder Block Deck Height 213.8mm
Deck Clearance 0.9mm (below)
Cylinder Head Volume 25.5cc
Head Gasket Thickness (compressed) 1.2mm
Minimum Combustion Chamber Volume 46.8cc
Intake Valve O.D. 29.2mm
Exhaust Valve O.D. 25.0mm
Connecting Rod Length (between centers) 139.6mm
Piston Comp Height 28.55mm
Piston Clearance & Position (from Crown) 0.300 @ 53.00

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Updated info on valves, quite surprising info.

Also g16a/b block height to work out rod/stroke ratio info.

Anyone know the g15 piston pin height?

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Thank for darcy for his imput.
Cmon guys someone must know the journal sizes at least?

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do you all know if the g13 engine will bolt to a geo tracker manual tranny from year models 90'-95'?

Tbone this is not the place to ask a stupid question like that.

I did buy some 4agze rods the other day, I can confirm they are 2mm longer than the gti rods I have. The gti rods weigh approx 427gms and the 4agze rods weigh approx 507gms, I only weighed one rod of each so the average could be a couple of gms out either way.
The 4agze rods also have a 20mm pin whereas the suzuki rods are 19mm.

Dattman whats your project? Also some 4age tuners know where to lighten the Z rods, Im still to look into this but without sacrifice to strength.
Also does the Z rod look like any of the above pic I linked?

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Right on d. That's some great posting! You've got a lot of numbers on there and hopefully I can use something.

I went to the machine shop today and they said I need to do more research. I the main problem was that the piston I bought wasn't a full floating piston.

The pin from the D16 engine I purchased is the exact diameter as the G10 pin, but the D16 pin/piston is not a floating type. The machine shop offered a few alternatives. There are floating and non-floating pistons available for the D16 engines, but it's difficult to know what the stock sizes are. If a floating piston is available, does this mean the pin has a smaller diameter? If so, will it fit in the suzuki?

My alternatives are...
1) Find a connecting rod that is strong enough to be used in a turbo and still have the pressed pin size.
2) Cut the piston pin and use teflon buttons.
3) Go to wiseco.

Full Floating Pin (see circlips)....


Pressed Pin


I've read on this site that P29 (d16A1) is the correct piston to use so perhaps I purchased the wrong d16 piston. ??




Check this out! While writing this post, I started looking on the internet for new info. I checked out the parts-dinosaur. It's it just me or is he selling turbo pistons????



Are those normal G13 pistons? My turbo pistons are identical to those except the valve cutouts are bigger on my piston and it appears these aren't full floating pistons. My manual doesn't show a piston with a bowl for the non-turbos.

Sorry I didn't mean to jack the thread. Some of my post applies to this thread, but some doesn't. I'll post on my d16 thread too.

darrel are you doing a g10 bottom end?
If so I wish I could help but Im still trying to work out what to do with the g16.

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Yup. I'm trying to do restore my Mk1 turbo engine. The bottom end is fine, but the pistons are giving me trouble. I saw some G13 specs and thought you might be able to use the info as some is the same for the G10. I guess there was too much G10 stuff.

If you can afford it get bigger sleeves put in after all there are only 3
and only inserts not full sleeves so much cheaper than full ones.
get SS or spun steel and use the right rings to suit.
I would never use the standard cast sleeve inserts (are they?) after buying nice forgies.

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.... just out of curiosity what is the rod length of a 4age toyota? or a daihatsu 1.3l?

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Yeah the z rod looks like the one on the right of your photo.
I've got 2 projects in mind once I finish the g13b powered Mk3 race car.

I'm looking to build a small bore T3, I need 72mm pistons and sleeves, with turbo the engine size works out at 1598cc.

2nd project is a dedicated motorkhana car, will probably shorten a mk1 shell, I'll need about 75hp and plenty of torque to be competitive from an atmo g10 running in the 1000cc class.

The problem with the z rods is the 20mm pin, most motorcycle pistons are 18mm, I'm still keen to check out hayabusa rods, yes the big end is 3mm smaller than the g10/g13 rods but the G10 journals can be ground down easily enough and the g10 cranks seem to be pretty strong mostly because they are very short.

So basically I'm looking for low compression 72mm pistons, valve cutouts aren't that important and I'm also looking for 74mm pistons and or rod combination that will give me a 12-1 compression ratio and these must be 2valve pistons... simple really...I know wiseco can make them for me but I'm really keen to find another solution before I have to start selling spare body parts to pay for it

Dattman there was another possible race 8v engine worth considering at pick-a-part. Although a honda it was the 1.3 litre jazz motor with twin spark plugs, offset crank and forged everything, moly coated pistons etc. Pity because for 50 dollars on the weekly special it would be a steal for turbo setup with a destroked crank.

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Yeah a 1.3 litre engine turbo'ed works out to be 2.2 litres so you would be up against Starlets with turbo'ed 4age's
You would have to de-sleeve or de-stroke down to 1170cc to fit inside the 2000cc class, de-stroking a turbo engine is a waste of time, if it was atmo then de-stroking might be worth it. Class rules are only governed by CC's.

I've just picked up 4 over size flat top pistons and rods for a g13a (1324cc) engine and it has rods that are very similar to g13b rods except it has a fixed 17mm pin instead of 19mm floating, now the smaller pin diameter means there are plenty more options with regards to using motorcycle pistons without lots of machining, am still working on it as is Don (87t1)

Well suzuki released a 1ltr version of the g13 the g10b which has the g13bb head I think and also can fit any other 4cylinder head. I think it is destroked from a g13b bottom end and with a turbo it would rule with the valve sizes bigger than most bike engines. Just a thought to stay within the class rules. Also if 1000cc isnt enought then bigger bores could take it to another 100 or so cc.

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Hmm can't say I've ever seen a g10b, I know some of the carry vans had 1litre 4cyl engines but I think they were steel blocks.

Here's some more info on the 4agze rods


The left rod is a g13a rod with 17mm pressed pin, next is a gti rod with 19mm floating pin and the 4agze rod has a 20mm small end.
Using my plastic verniers( good ones gone awol therefore measurements are approx only) I measure centre of big end to centre of small end 120mm for both suzuki rods and 122.5mm for the 4agze rods, looks like those cbr1000rr pistons might be a good match for a high compression atmo engine anyone know what the pin size is for those pistons???

Ill call Honda on Tuesday and find out as Im in the market for some 27mm pin or shorter pistons also the rods from the cbr1000rr is they are the right length, they have arp type factory bolts that only use a thread to lock them in saving 50gsm each rod from normal.
The g10b is all alloy and rare in this country but available. Some are running this engine in http://www.redlinegti.com.
Have you checked the clearance for the rods on the block yet? it looks they will clear. Also the Toy rods look like they have smaller bores or is it just the shadow?

dattman nice pics why the way thank you!!!!

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Finally was able to figure out which crank goes into which
I bought 2 of Honda d16 and 3 d15 engines and measured up the cranks and placed them over suzuki g16a/b and daihatsu hd-e and hc-e engines.
Compared them to the ACL catalogues and finally believe Suzuki copied Hondas sohc 1600cc bottom end design

Honda d15 = 84.5mm stroke fit the g13a/b/ba/bb engines.
Honda d15 (all series)
Mains: 44.980 to 45mm Tunnel: 49 to .020mm
Suzuki: g13b
Mains: 44.890 to .994mm Tunnel: 48.198 to 49.018mm

Honda d16 = 90mm stroke fit the g16a/b with machine work
Mains: 54.980 to 55mm Tunnel: 59 to .020mm
G16a/b: 51.982 to 52mm Tunnel: 56 to 56.018mm

Im still trying to find out the length of the Honda sbr1000rr rods, However the forged pistons of slipper type design and moly impregnated are 150au with rings and 75mm. They are probably 27mm in pin height. Still need to confirm.

Rods are around 170au each but looks awesome and nutless for clearance

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Thats some great research D, so the d15 crank fits the g13 block eh, do you know the block height of the d15 is and what length are the d15 rods??? Those Honda bike rods look really sweet

The Honda blocks r the same on the d15 and d16 so at 212mm.
All the rods are thin as on the hondas which surprises me considering the engineering behind the rest of the engine which is amazing.

Bike rods are cheap but the length is the issue and it looks like they may not be long enough for the big stroker but fine for the 1-1300cc versions.

Cheap rods with great clearance for strokers with 136.62 (E16/E15et) and 140.462mm (E15) in length are Nissan E series rods.
These are an alternative if you get the crankpins machined and retreated to suit 40mm at the same time you can play with the stroke.



E15 and E16/E15ET rods, 140.64mm and 136.62mm respectively

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This is great info, i am about to build a NA setup for my Zuki. Looks like i have a plethora of new knowledge to work with..

Thansk!!

From what i have read....

I can utilize the crank from the d15 in the g16


How about the rods from the newer 01-05 honda's, will they work on that crank?

I will have to re-read this stuff tonight.....i am out of time and confused (gotta goto work damit)