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I had noticed the lack of mandrel bends as well. In reality the headder will still make more power than stock so you are going to get a gain. Now how much you may theoreticaly lose to the crimped bends will likely never be known. The Genie is 1.5" but it is mandrel bent .

So I got the header. Sure looks nice, my first impression is very good. Couldn't wait to put it on. Decided to start...

Pros:
- looks great (though im not in for the looks)
- very smooth bends for a compression bend product
- sounds good
- good price
- suzukird answers emails quickly, good customer support

Cons:
- Had to remove a few of the mounts and supports because the header wouldnt fit
- The hole sizes and spacing dont bolt right up. Had to drill out bigger holes for the bolts
- It doesnt bolt right up to my exhaust (think it was in the same position as the stock one)..... the header seems a little big longer.......
- No pyramid shape when the tubes exit the header, they are just 4 tubes welded together and that cant be good, without the smooth exit surface it will most likely cause turbulence. Lack of the smooth pyramid where the tubes meet is a definite negative for performance as it worsens airflow.
- Nowhere near the 13hp advertised... more like 3hp, the 13hp must be psychological because of the sound. Will keep you updated once I test again on gtech at the same road.

Overall: If I could do it again I would go with the genie header.

Please keep the reviews for the same product in one thread. It makes it so much easier for everybody to find it.

Hi,

The only problem I'm having is that there is no room for the CAT.

May 20/05


I apologize for my late review. I hope it still helps.

I purchased 2 racing header on November 2004. The whole transaction was smooth. They replied my email very promptly that it gave me a good impression. The header were sent from Florida to Alabama, however, i got it 3 weeks after my payment.

I was shock when i first looked at it. The header was pressure bend and chrome finish. I'd never seen a pressure bend racing header, never. The chrome covered the major surface but not at the tight corner like the corrector section. The welding job was bad at the joint of pipe and flange. They did polished the inlet to peel off the excessive welded material, somehow it made the diameter different. The outlet, a thin steel plate was made in corn shape and welded with 4 pipes. I compared both header i got, the bend angle and position was different, but the dimension was same. The pipe diameter was 1.5", not 1.75"

What i got was different from the picture shown in their web site (at that moment). The chrome finish header was called street header which costed $300. The racing header used to be a black, precisely made, non-chrome, like the rospen header and was $150. I called them to find the answer. They said it was the racing header they offered. There was no performance different between pressure bend and mantrel bend header after testing. How did they know? Well, they actually purchased a header from Europe, copied it then self-made (now we know why it take so long to ship it to me). They tested it, performance was same. I am still curious. My fren decided to keep it, then nothing i could do but i cancelled the order of oversized throttle body. After few days, they changed the picture in the web site.

Upon installation, i bored the inlet and polished the flange surface becoz it was rough. The a portion of flange at the right top corner got to be grinded off so it would fit.

Performance gain? Be frankly, yes. I can feel the performance gain comparing to stock header. My car is more powerful at the mid range, after 4000rpm. I think any header with larger pipe than stock header will give you some gain, definately. Then wat is the disavantage of pressure bend header? I can tell u now. The change in diameter creates a pressure different in the pipe, so the air flow is not uniform. Check this out then u will know.
http://www.teamswift.net/viewtopic.php?t=14964
---> the lag between 3500~4000rpm. Both car, mine and my fren got same problem after installed it. PROVEN in the drag track.

Back to topic, home-make header for $150. Well, depend on the quality, labor and material, it is a deal. U have to pay $200 bucks more to get Genie header. For low budget consumer, this maybe a bargain. However, i can make a header by myself, which costs less than $150, mantrel bend. In suzukird.com, we can see the PRICE. Not many stuffs u can get from them. the tie rod end is cheaper than autozone; ball joint is dang cheap but no way u can get it out from control arm(welded); the clutch is from ACT that u can get much better deal from somewhere else; performance chip for $149 !!?? Well, be smart when u spend ur money. Check the special offer section, i will post my findings, hope that's wat u need.

so the pipe diameter is 1.5 and not 1.75, same as stock size then? If so, how can you say that anything with larger pipes will be better than stock when the size is the same?

Another thing I didnt like is that it blocks off the EGR hole thingy. Is there any harm from this? The leak seems to be from that area, but I will check again soon to see whats going on... might need a gasket change